Man Got Other Woman Pregnant While Girlfriend Was Pregnant (Full Episode) | Paternity Court

Man Got Other Woman Pregnant While Girlfriend Was Pregnant (Full Episode) | Paternity Court


Please be seated. Hello, Your Honor. Hello, Jerome. This is the case of
Kingsbury vs James.
Thank you.
Good day, everyone. ALL: Good day. Ms. Kingsbury,
you say you were in a romantic relationship
with the defendant, Mr. James, and planned to have
a child together. But when your
11-month-old son,
Chance, was born, Mr. James turned on you
and began to deny paternity. You are here to prove Mr. James is the biological
father, is that correct? Yes, Your Honor. Mr. James, you say you had
stopped all intimate relations with Ms. Kingsbury during
the window of conception. You say you can prove
this is not your child with undeniable
medical evidence. Is this correct? Yes, Your Honor. JUDGE LAKE: So, Ms. Kingsbury, what is the most hurtful part
of this situation for you? Well, me and Mr. James,
we planned to have our son. Well, planned to
have a child together. That’s what hurts me the most. And so, did you plan
this baby, Mr. James? Yes, we did plan it
at first, Your Honor. JUDGE LAKE: You did? KENNETH: At first, we did. Take me back.
Make me understand the
nature of this relationship. PIA: Well, we
started off as friends and then it leaded
to a little bit more.I started living with him.JUDGE LAKE:You were a couple?PIA:Staying with him.JUDGE LAKE:In love or were
you just staying with him
or living with him?
We were in love
with each other. You were? Yes, we were. KENNETH: No. What is your opinion
of the relationship? My opinion, Your Honor,
is at first… Yes, we did plan
to had a baby. At first, the relationship,
it was fun, adventurous. I could count on her,
she was supportive. That was the nicer
relationship at first. So, what are you
trying to say? That we weren’t
in a relationship? We didn’t have
love for each other? Are you trying
to say that, Mr. James? I didn’t say we didn’t
have love for each other, I said I wasn’t in love. So, why were you
planning to have baby with someone you weren’t
in love with? My reason was because
I thought she was a… A very nice woman
when I first met her. ‘Cause he loved me. I meet very nice
people every day. I don’t wanna have
babies with them. KENNETH: Yeah, of course. (AUDIENCE APPLAUDING) We had a incident about me
lying about something. That’s when he stopped. I guess, wanting to be
serious with me. KENNETH:
You’re right about that. That’s when all the… All right, so tell
the truth now. That’s why we here,
tell the truth. So, what happened? Oh, I lied about a way
that I got to work. I didn’t tell him
who took me, I lied about…
I told him that it was
my sister who took me but it was
a customer of mine. I asked him if he can
give me a ride to work. I did what I had to do
to get to work. I didn’t have a way. I had to take my daughter all the way to
the other side of town to her Godmother and I had to get to work. I paid the young man
gas money. And another thing, when I was going to
get my nails done, the young man was on his way
to my house to get his money, me, Kenneth and my daughter, was walking to the nail salon
to get my nails done and the young man
gave us all a ride. So, if he felt any way
towards me and this young man, he wouldn’t have
got in the car with us. He was there when I gave
the young man his $10 of gas, he was there with me. So, wait a minute,
Mr. James,
you got an attitude because she asked a client
to give her a ride to work? Yes, a attitude.
JUDGE LAKE: Because she didn’t
tell the truth about it? PIA: I just didn’t tell him
who the person was. All right. I told him that
it was my sister but it was someone else. All right, so you did
tell this lie. So, now after
she told this lie, PIA: I did, I did. Mr. James,
what were you wondering? “Why lie?” Yeah, why lie? Why not tell
the truth in the first place? Did you start hearing rumors
about her with other guys? KENNETH: Yeah, I heard rumors.I met her friends,
they stay
in the neighborhood.
They used to tell me
that she used to get
out of cars with her…
Well, I mean,
if these are only her
co-workers, or… Like what
she just explained… That’s hearsay. KENNETH: her customers. He say, she say. He ain’t never witnessed me
get out of no car with nobody at the time
that we were together. I ain’t gotta witness. Excuse me, the time
that we were together, me and him spent
all of our time together. You ain’t never seen me
get out of no car with no man. And the only friend
that I had that is a man is my daughter’s Godfather.
His… All right, so, Mr. James,
tell me the story. What were you told? I was told that she got out
of a car with somebody, She knows their name. She ain’t gonna tell me
their name,
’cause she a liar. I told you I lied. That means you’re a liar. I lied about a ride,
okay? Yes, okay,
I’m a liar. I’ve lied to him
about a ride. More than that too. That’s the only lie
that I’ve ever told him. Listen, listen. At first,
I wanna understand, because this is directly connected to your doubt,
Mr. James. KENNETH: Yes, ma’am. What were you
told specifically? That she got out
of a car with somebody. PIA: Was this around… Someone saw her get out
of the car with a man? KENNETH: With a man. And she…
When I confronted her,
Ms. Kingsbury. Where was she when she
got out of the car with a man? KENNETH AND PIA: Home. Across the street,
wherever it was, she was home. Home. By the time
she was home. Home. I confronted her… The person was
across the street. I confronted her
with the story and she denied it
all the time. Never did I
deny that story. She denied it off the top. Now, a ride in the car, that’s not the kind of ride
that gets you pregnant. No. No. Of course. PIA: Thank you. I had a ride
home from work. JUDGE LAKE: So, now,
I have to understand your doubts specifically. What does this have to do
with the paternity? Mistrust can lead to
somebody cheating. And also, if you lie, that’ll also will
lead to different… Like session or whatever,
different sequence
in your life that you could do
those type of things. JUDGE LAKE:
So, now, Ms. Kingsbury, he’s saying that now you’ve
started a pattern of lying, is that true? No, I told him one lie.
That’s it. JUDGE LAKE: Okay. Okay, take me to the point
you told Mr. James
you were pregnant. PIA: I was at work.
I was like, “Well, Kenny, I’m about
to buy a pregnancy test.” And he was like,
“Well, let me know
when you take it.” I took the pregnancy test
about 7:30 that evening. It was positive and I called him
and let him know. JUDGE LAKE:
And what did he say? Can I say something? He didn’t say too much. He said, “I’m asleep.
I’ll call you back.” “I’m asleep,
I’ll call you back?” PIA:
That’s what he said to me. At the time she said
she concepted with
a baby, uh… She was walking
with her co-workers then.Like, she was walking
home with him.
I don’t know if they
had sex or not.
PIA:Excuse me, Your Honor.I don’t know about this. You know…
So, I don’t know. So, she’s walking home
now with somebody. Let me explain
something to you. Me and my co-worker lived
in the same neighborhood. We both walk to work. He just so happened to be
walking at the same time. Yes, this is my co-worker,
we’re gonna walk and
have a conversation. She never tell me that. He turned off. Kenneth was
in his house. And I kept walking home. You never tell me that. JUDGE LAKE: So, wait,
Mr. James. Listen, listen. I wanna find out what happened
when she told you she was pregnant. You weren’t excited
about the news? I was asleep.
I was working then.
I was tired. No, he wasn’t worried
about my pregnancy because he was busy
getting someone else pregnant. At that moment of time,
I was working. So, wait a minute, at the time
Ms. Kingsbury was pregnant, you had someone else
pregnant as well? Well… Yeah, you can say that. So, you wasn’t
sleeping too much. I was sleeping,
I still was sleeping. But I wasn’t talking to her
at that time either, though. Yes, he was.
He moved on after Thanksgiving when he was driving down
the street with a car and yelled out the window, “That’s why I got
someone else pregnant.” Yeah. JUDGE LAKE: What? Yeah. All right, so how does
it get to the point where you’re ridin’
down the street yellin’ out… I stayed at his house
the night before and that morning
when we got up, he was arguing with me
about diabetes. I’m a diabetic. I got frustrated and
I walked out his house and I walked down the street
to my house. He jumped in his car and proceeded
to follow behind me and yelled out the window, “That’s why I got
someone else pregnant.” KENNETH: That’s the only way
I could tell her, though. Mr. James, now you know
you’re wrong. Why get in your car and yell
something out like that? If I would’ve
told her straight up, she would’ve did
something to me, though. She would’ve did
something to my car. Or she would’ve
probably hit me. We were still together… There’s no understanding.
That’s why I had to say it
like I had to say it. So, you had to say it
and drive off so she wouldn’t
do something to you? But, Your Honor,
he didn’t do that. He drove to the store waited for me
to walk to my house and came to my sister’s house and proceeded to tell me
more and more and more
about this young lady. I tried to make
her understand. I told him to leave,
I didn’t wanna hear it. My sister told him to leave. What is it to understand?
You have one woman pregnant and now you got
another woman pregnant. The only thing to understand
is you’re doing
the wrong thing. Yeah, I’m doing
the wrong thing. That’s it. You can say that. (APPLAUSE) Were you at the hospital? Did you participate
in the birth? KENNETH: Yes. You did? Yes. I was right there
when he was born. PIA: He was.Not her C-section…
But when he was there
I was holding him.
I see him pee-pee.PIA:He signed
the birth certificate.
He signed the birth
certificate and everything.
He did.
Because I thought that’s
the right thing to do.
Our son has his last name.Even though I had my doubts… As a person I believe in God,
whatever like that. I believe as a man
it’s my responsibility. At what point
do you really have real doubt that this child is yours? I think, uh, when he was,
like, two months? The Sickle Cell Trait. Okay. Chance was born with
the Sickle Cell Trait? Yes. Now, let’s talk about
some evidence. When I heard about
the Sickle Cell Trait, I did my research. With that trait,
I had to be a carrier or somebody on my side
had to be a carrier. I don’t have it.
My mother doesn’t have it. How do you know
you don’t have it? ‘Cause I…
They never… The doctor never said
I had any type of trait,
even though… Have you ever gone in
and been tested specifically? KENNETH: Not specifically. JUDGE LAKE:
Did you ask your family? Yes, I asked my mother,
she said no. I asked my daddy,
he said no.If she said she don’t have it,
nobody in her family
don’t have it.
JUDGE LAKE:Ms. Kingsbury…KENNETH: It’s got to be
another man. These are scientific facts. So, how do your mother
or your father knows? Anyone else in their family
could be a carrier… They may know they true
as their child don’t know that Because they know
their own mother.
They know their own father. But my mother is deceased,
so I don’t know if she ever
had the Sickle Cell Trait. So, you unsure. Not me. And my father is not
in my life. You sound like
you unsure too. All right.
Listen. Listen. Listen. And that’s exactly why
I brought an expert into
this courtroom today. Because I don’t want us
to be unsure. I want us to understand… KENNETH: Yes, ma’am. How a Sickle Cell Trait
is passed down. And I want us to understand
how it could possibly relate to the paternity of chance. Jerome, can you please escort
Wanda Whitten-Shurney, M.D. She’s the CEO of
Sickle Cell Disease
Association of America. Michigan Chapter. Hello, Doctor. How are you? I’m great. Thank you. I’m going to have you go up
to the witness stand… Hi, Dr. Shurney. Hi. Thank you so much
for joining us. Thank you for having me. We are here today,
talking about the paternity
of beautiful baby, Chance. Okay. JUDGE LAKE:
We have had testimony,
thus far,
which led Mr. James,
our potential father,
to mistrust Ms. Kingsbury.But what really
fuelled this doubt,
was finding out that
the baby Chance had
the Sickle Cell Trait. I wanna know from you, how is the Sickle Cell gene passed to a child from a parent? Okay. The genes for
Sickle Cell disease
are very simple. You get a gene
for hemoglobin. Hemoglobin’s the red stuff
in the red blood cell. And that’s…
Sickle cell disease is a problem with hemoglobin. So, you get a gene
for hemoglobin
on the sperm from a father. And you get a gene for
hemoglobin from the egg
on the mother, okay? So, the way you get
Sickle Cell Trait is one
of the parents has to have it. So, that means that,
yes, absolutely… One of them has to have
Sickle Cell Trait in order for the baby
to have Sickle Cell Trait. So, that mean… If I don’t have it
and my mother don’t have it, my dad don’t have it… So, somebody on her side
of the family got to have it. I don’t have it
and my daughter
don’t have it. I’ve been doing this
for 30 years. And it frequently
comes up as an issue. The mother will ask
the father, “Do you have
Sickle Cell Trait?” And instead of saying,
“What is that?” He says,
“No, I don’t have it.” And you ask his mother,
“Oh, no, he absolutely
doesn’t have it.” And then this whole
paternity issue comes up. So, what you’re saying is,
and this is fascinating
because… We assume as we grow up and think about our
medical history and we think we know
our full medical history. Yes. If we don’t know for certain we have been tested for that
particular, specific condition Specific condition. Right. We may get our blood drawn,
ten times. “I had my blood drawn,
so if I had that
somebody would tell me.” Or sometimes people think
Sickle Cell Trait
is a disease. And would make me sick.
So, I’ve never been sick, so, I couldn’t
possibly have it. But it’s a carrier state. If you get two genes,
you have the disease. If you only get one gene,
you’re a a carrier state. And the only problem is
you can pass it on
to your child. And so, what you now
are saying is… both parents can’t say
for certain they do not have
the Sickle Cell Trait because they don’t know
if they’ve ever been tested. That’s right. Or one of the child’s parents
has Sickle Cell Trait. Now, if I am
a Sickle Cell Trait carrier… DR. SHURNEY: Right. Then doesn’t that mean that
my daughter would’ve
had it too? No, you would have
a 50-50 chance. Because half of your eggs carry the gene for Sickle and the other half
carry normal. So, you could’ve passed
on a normal egg. But in order for you
to have a baby with
Sickle Cell disease, both of you would have
to have the trait. And then there would be
a one out of four chance. Very important information. So, Mr. James… It sounds like…
And look I commend you for doing your research. For sayin’, “Listen. I want to
understand more about this.” As it relates to the paternity
of this child. Yes, Your Honor. But what I believe has truly
been illuminated
in this courtroom… is that you don’t know
if you’ve ever really had
this specific test. Yeah, because
I never been tested. JUDGE LAKE: Exactly. And so, for that reason, even though you
may have doubts
surrounding your paternity, this particular discovery
you’ve made does not preclude you
from being Chance’s biological father. Yeah, you right. I think with that in mind… It’s time to go
to the results. Jerome? (AUDIENCE APPLAUDING) These results were prepared
by DNA Diagnostics and they read as follows. In the case of
Kingsbury vs James…
When it comes to
11-month-old Chance. James, it has been determined
by this court… somebody else is the carrier. JUDGE LAKE: Mr. James… Yes, Your Honor. You… Are the father. JUDGE LAKE: That’s
your beautiful little boy. How do you feel?
It feels good to know
for sure? Yes, ma’am. I’m sorry. JUDGE LAKE:
You don’t have to apologize. (WHIMPERS) JUDGE LAKE:
What are you feeling
in this moment, Ms. Kingsbury? To think about everything
I went through. I don’t have to lie about
who my child’s father is. It just hurts, ’cause
I went through a lot the past two years. For real. I took a lot. ‘Cause you’re saying,
through the entire pregnancy and Chance is almost
one-year-old. This doubt has just truly wreaked havoc in your lives. I tried, throughout
the whole thing. Supporting her, it just
too many lies that had me
clouded. The doubt destroyed the beauty
and the miraculous moment
this is. Mm-hmm. It did. I want you all to figure out
how to work this through, so we can figure out
where we goin’. PIA: Okay. And we can get there
healthier and happier. So, this child can grow up
feeling safe, secure You’re right. All right? We wish you all
the very, very best of luck. Court is adjourned.

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